Stigmata Magazine #2, 08/2001
STALINGRAD AND KIRLIAN CAMERA ARE A BUNCH OF BLOODY HIPPIES!!!!
First of all, who are STALINGRAD now?
is just me and Elena Fossi from KIRLIAN CAMERA, plus a little help from
KC's ex member Ivano Bizzi. To say the truth, on a very first time this
band was just a solo-project by Ivano Bizzi and he liked the idea of
making an album up with my help as a producer and collaborator, but then
Ivano gave up, telling me he got no time enough to develop this project,
so... we decided it had been a different story, involving me as a effective
member and Elena as well, as we were fond of this "naive" band,
not liking the possibility to see it dead forever.
... and Emilia is not going to join you in this walk of life?
is not right for this chapter, and the main reason is just her increasing
involvement in her job as a cardiologist. Nothing is getting troubled
with her. Emy is still involved in KIRLIAN CAMERA, even though in that
band as well she could not assure her presence every time we go performing
live. In addition, STALINGRAD is a very "under pressure" project
- although I actually cannot realize why, to be honest... - and Emy is
understandably and largely pissed off with those stories about our supposed
nazi ideology. She is not a coward, but a girl of great courage and strength...
Being a member of this band means getting excessively "nervous"
at least, due to the endless stress coming from outside. Emy has to take
care of ill people at the hospital, being perfectly lucid and efficient
almost 10 hours a day... so she could not bear any stress like this in
the remaining hours, otherwise she get mad. Elena and I are musicians,
maybe we are a bit more fit to that delirium, fit to demented people
(I do not mean the audience...), as it is our job... although it seems a
bit nonsense to us, too...
You wrote me about the accident with Elena happened 3 weeks ago. Does she
getting better now?
Elena has to go at the hospital again, making another check, because
some splinters entered her head and shoulders. Sometimes she feels she
cannot remember everything she needs and has vertigo and violent headache,
but I hope she will be getting better soon, otherwise it looks that some
doctors took her situation too easily, on a first time. It is not a funny
moment for her, but we all wait for better days to come very soon...
is a very special name. In modern history it's connected with the most
dramatic episode of World W II. And for us, Russians, it's the living
picture of Russian military valor. And if only a band's name has any
significance, could you explain your case?...
contains all of the themes you have mentioned above, not being a political
group, anyway. I perfectly know the Antifa activists are spreading around
the same old boring updatings about STALINGRAD and KIRLIAN CAMERA, so
I must say neither KC nor STALINGRAD are involved in any political wing.
They are just two "free" entities, open to collaborate with
every possible intelligent entity, whatever political source he/she comes
from. Anyway, as usual, the name of this band is dedicated to Russia,
as well as both KIRLIAN CAMERA and URANIUM USSR 1972.
In Russian, Stalingrad also can be interpreted as Stalin's City. I know
that sometimes you are introduced nearly as a "Stalinist".
To make it clear - what do you think about Joseph Stalin himself and
his role in history?
must admit surprises have no end! Yes, I know sometimes I have been taken
as a radical Stalinist and sometimes as a Hitlerian... Bah, once again
I see myself forced to saying I am not involved in anything special!
Stalin... Well, I do not like his ways too much, let's say it is not
my taste, but, given that I could not judge Stalinists as I am not Russian...
let's say I respect them as well as I respect everybody else in general.
Anyway, proletarian dictatorship is not my cup of tea: I come from the
deep working class, being not a rich kid, so, as far as I am concerned,
I must say I respect my sources, but couldn't imagine to be ruled by
those blind sheep, nor by anybody else (this is neither right-winged
nor left-winged snobbery, this is just a bitter consideration...)!!! Either,
I am completely opposed to Capitalism and the USA. I think Europe and
Russia should kick Americans out of their territories, with calm and
with no real violence. I do not feel any hate towards the Americans,
but their "culture" is not fit to our universe, definitely.
your last 3 phrases I must say unconditional YES. But from other hand,
it sounds like an unrealizable dream. First of all, I do not believe
Europeans are ready to such step. For most of the "golden billion"
people their welfare have much more significance than cultural or even
moral values... Also such changes demand a firm hand. Does any European
politician has it? Does any European people want it? Too much hopeless
necessary when people was poorer and got no chance to enrich their wallets.
Now people are still poor in the 'western world' and some 'eastern world',
but some capitalist genius convinces them it is possible (with a bit
of intelligence) earning some considerable bunch of money. So now war
against capitalism has no sense, as capitalism is both a blameworthy
bitch and a hope, at the same time, in mass's opinion. The real enemy
is today the person who does not think that way. Everybody hates him/her,
as he is a possible psycho-killer, a possible threat to everyone. The
USA are fit with serial killers and Europe is recently getting great
in that way! Well, somebody is trying to prove that some of those criminals
are paid by some "national security secret service" to orientate
people's hate towards an enemy, a monster. You might reply that going
to get burned on an electric chair is not a big deal, in the end... But
please, remind of the fact I have told "some" of those criminals
are supposed to be "agents", or better "collaborators",
and please do not forget some of them are fools enough to die for leaving
some big money amount to their families. And some of them do not even
suppose they'll be betrayed by their "allies"! Some of them
succeed in not burning on any chair. Science-fiction?! I realize this
is maybe the very first time one person opens this problem in public,
but... That is that. Just a little example. Who am I to say these things?
A mad! The enemy is the big power, and if somebody starts spreading information...
then maybe some dream comes true, who knows?!? Then, anyway, please start
thinking to all of those ones who has been glorified by the alternative
culture as if they were "saints", and were just collaborators
of secret services, instead... Ah, ah, ah, what a world !!! Little by little,
people will get more and more infos about what governments are doing
in real, and the USA are probably responsible for the best mass murder
all over the world ever, and everybody knows that. If people begin having
fear of the USA... the game starts. There is so much to do, I know it,
but that's the way to follow. It is not impossible. Anyhow this matter
is too complicated to be faced here, and then... I would not be kidnapped
by the CIA!!!
That was one of the weirdest conspiracy theories I ever heard. But I think
there is a lot of more "delicate" instruments and methods to
manipulate people's consciousness - through suggestion, constant repetition,
subliminal influence, etc - this arsenal includes lobotomy even. And
this is what mass-media are doing. No need for "secret service agents"
if Hollywood, MTV, CNN and all other parts of global empire of duping
are acting quite plainly...
lots of ways, nothing remains ignored. The power needs to be present
everywhere, into "normality" and "trendy ways", into
"altered normality" and "shadow territories" (in
fact, good part of the planet does not even own any television, computer
or even radio...). A world that allows the U.S.A. and allies to use the
Echelon (spy-satellite, able to enter every possible place, house etc.
all over the globe) is a drifting world, no doubt... than, the Echelon
has already been surpassed by a new and more capable system, if I am
well-informed... I do not know if forgetting everything is a good strategy
to keep on living safe.
Does your critical perception of American culture apply on everything bearing
a label "made in USA" - music, literature, cinema...
The USA are filled with several cultures, so, finding some fine product
is not impossible, but... it is very rare that a real American makes any
masterpiece. Good works often comes from "contaminated" zones,
western movies apart (and I am sincerely pissed off with westerns... !).
Anyway, I repeat I am not saying every American should be exterminated,
no! I am trying to say that Americans should respect others' cultures,
otherwise there is a problem: when an ethnic family risks to be destroyed,
then... maybe there is some counter-attack. Americans are exaggerating
with their tranquillity in this direction. They are well organized, but
are not that able as warriors, history teaches... So they are forced to
make this "invisible" war to colonize the whole world. But
what happens when their strategies start to get "visible"?
No one could not care less??? I do not know... I am not so sure...
America is the deserving child of Europe - one worth another, doesn't it?
120 years ago Fedor Dostoevsky wrote: "Well, it's on the eve of general
and total downfall, your Europe. The ant hill long ago created there,
without the Church and Christ, with shattered moral principles, lost
all common and all absolute - this created ant hill is undermined in
agree with that opinion. Anyway, the U.S.A. are ruling over the whole
world, as in that continent a real strength was born: years and years
of massacres have been leading to a man "made of flesh", driven
by some few men made of some distorted intelligence, in fact most of
them are not Americans but imported from all over the world. Those men-of-flesh
are not that deeply strong anyway, as they are just flesh and bones with
no particular light inside... In fact, Americans uneasily succeed in winning
a war: Korea, Vietnam are just examples... Even the war against a nation
like Iran has been troubled by unexpected failures... but, there were the
allies there... so they succeeded in winning something, at last! Those
empty-eyes people are... unbelievable... Americans make me feel tenderness!!!
Maybe a little bit sudden turning point, but what is your treatment
of another significant person from WWII epoch - namely, Benito Mussolini?
I do not know whatever I may think about him, as opinions about Fascism are several,
various and many-colored! Well, I am sorry but I could not say much more.
I know I risk to be taken as a "silent wall", but ..."that
Since STALINGRAD tracks on Thorak-tribute CD and "Za Dom Spremni"
compilation, has the musical conception of the band been crystallized?
Are you going to follow the way of monumental neo-classic on forthcoming
debut-mCD or it will be as eclectic as KIRLIAN CAMERA is?
is not as eclectic as KIRLIAN CAMERA. That project is more "naive",
simpler, not looking for those uneasy paths which are fit to KC. STALINGRAD
is more "retro", more monumental, closer to the old KC romantic
visions. In fact our mother band had been making a certain "product"
time ago, going to reach a certain final "romantic point" in
1992, with the mini-album "Schmerz". That work followed "Todesengel"
and it was intended to be the definitive KIRLIAN CAMERA chapter concerning
the uncultured "epical atmospheres" and the so-called "neofolk".
Now, STALINGRAD is the development of such themes. Let's say it is less
"poor" than the old KC-sound, but it starts where that style
ends. STALINGRAD should be taken as a honest attempt to give some chords
in addition to that sound, in total freedom.
90ies neofolk and neoclassic were rather uninhabited areas. Now the scene
is nearly overcrowded, new bands show up weekly, and some of them sound
like clones. Since KIRLIAN CAMERA has developed it's own inimitable style,
did not time come to make a revolution in another musical direction?
we are no longer involved in the so-called "neofolk" since
time and, to say the truth, we have never been involved in, a couple
of acoustic songs apart... We are operating in the global "electronic"
scene, although (and do not know why) we are always linked to the neofolk
scene. We have been even playing pop music for three or four years long,
during 80's! We continuously try to learn everything possible, reprocessing
it with no rest into our personality. For example, I can say we are currently
listening to lots of Cuban folk music, but I do not think our next chapter
will sound "Latin-American". Let's say listening to "alien"
music (music one does not like that much...) is useful to make one more
desperately linked with his deepest feelings, sometimes. I always listen
to music I do not like!!! And, anyway it is important, as sometimes that
distant style is able to teach something, as... who knows... maybe arrangements
are particularly intelligent and enlightening, or, on the contrary are
simply awful... Everything is useful, I repeat. The more one knows, the
more he is able to decide, or simply... throw himself out of the windows...
Have you a chance to listen the above-mentioned compilations already? A kind
of small review or just your impressions, please. Some of these releases
are so extremely limited and so expensive...
appears on the above mentioned compilations, then, DER LETZTE FLUG in
particular has been put on to a sampler titled "Nightingale Compilation
II", but I am afraid that sampler have got some troubles, and maybe
has been cancelled, due to our presence on it, exactly. Once again the
same old problems... Some people is terribly upset against us.
They do not even imagine we were nothing but honored to take part in
left-wing project as well, if only any left-winged label asked us to
Anyway... I did not know those samplers are so expensive. I think they
include some good bands like DEATH IN JUNE and so on and are well done.
I am not that used to listening to the so-called "neofolk"
or "industrial", but "Za Dom Spremni" looks so cool
and fascinating, for instance, that one is tempted to take a listen to,
in effect. There is even a double vinyl special limited edition strange
box including T-shirt and something in addition.
That man, S.Rukavina, has announced even more stranger release under a
long-long French name, which supposed to be 4CD-set accompanied by a thriller with
you and Douglas P. and some other artists as main characters... Do you
know what it is about?
I know something might be done, but I sincerely do not know much more.
I am waiting for more updatings, at the moment.
Dom Spemni" is a Croatian greetings, popular amidst Croatian nationalists,
especially such radical as Ustasa fighters. And I suppose the compilation
has some pro-Croatian trend... Could you comment this?
of that sampler told us there is no connection between that album and
any nationalism. Well, that's enough for me. I am not interested in any
particular nationalism, as I instead believe in a world-nation, in which
everybody has the same rights and speaks just one tongue. Then, we have
accepted to perform in Yugoslavia, in Belgrade too... Nothing to do with
any wing, I repeat: that's fundamental!
specify - are you going to visit Yugoslavia? Or those performances did
I have been
contacted by some Yugoslavian guys via e-mail, some times ago. They asked
us if we were in the right spirit to go there, and I replied there is
no problem. They said there is some real chance to bring this bunch of
ducks there... We will see.
your treatment of nationalism, such point of view seems to be natural
for Italians, successors of Roman Empire which consolidated various ethnoses
and allowed different languages and beliefs... As well as for Russians
who have similar traditions of State organisation. Maybe, patriotism
is more acceptable word, isn't it?
I do not
know... maybe. But... "love" is the best... SCOOP!! STALINGRAD AND
KIRLIAN CAMERA ARE A BUNCH OF BLOODY HIPPIES!!!! It could be... No, "love",
love is strength, love is justice. And there is only one kind of a justice,
no way to get confused. Christ is more terrible than Satan... I like him.
... Christ or Satan? :-)
Aehm... Christ, of course...
everyone (I mean artists interviewed for current mag) praises Love this
time! Just nobody wants to talk about that captivating and intoxicating
Hate, to justice it...
Hey, I sincerely
do not think all of those "saints" really know what they say...
Understood? Love, love... Love is sacrifice, and then... I am not here to
glorify love or its aesthetics (yes, maybe now it is quite fashionable,
who knows... ?). Certain subjects are ancient... This world is not ruled by
Christ: this world is hell itself, right?!? Well, time to change, once
for all!!! Satan is the real alternative since always... alternative to
what... exactly??? Then... love is not a question of good feelings and flowers-in-the-hair...
Love is rage. Love is JUSTICE. The angels of death are "white",
but are more terrible than hell's legions. No one loves them, I know
that. Love without love... But, anyway... please let's change theme, otherwise
we'll be taken as "possessed fanatics", and that's not true...
Truth is more... "particular"... Anyway... God is not that interesting
to me. I have been talking about Christ, not about his executioner... and,
at last, I guess talking about Christ is not possible, so I stop here.
collapse accidentally or not coincided with USSR disintegration, which
10th anniversary we will meet end of this year. What do you think about
I hope both
Balkan areas and Russia are finding out a possible third solution, avoiding
capitalism and communism, which is "evolution"... such way
has not been found by any western country, yet. Try to be greater!
Third solution? ... Third Position?
No, I have
not mentioned any "3rd Position"... I told about a possible alternative
solution, which is also called "evolution". Utopia... one might
say, but saying that concept is utopistic is only an excuse to run away
from responsibilities. A great nation should be able to go towards a
real evolution... It means all of the nations are similar, as no ones succeeds
in... This means racism is useless, as this world is filled with unable
brain-dead. Races are completely equal, in their idiocy. So banal and
first mCD - are release date and label for it clear already?
date should be September's early period and the label might be E.N.D.E./RADIO
LUXOR again, but... on this last point we intend to think a bit more about,
valuing the offers coming from other really trustworthy entities.
to be a great prophet to predict hard fate for CDs from a band under
such name. The price of just two syllables may be very high, in financial
measuring too. Here we return to the beginning of the conversation somehow;
it was so easy to avoid all possible problems... Does it worth the added
I must be
ingenuous, some times... because I am frank if I tell you I cannot understand
why anybody should feel hurt by such a name. We are normal people, in
a way... Musicians... REALLY! But I know what you mean... No, maybe it does
not worth the effort. We are exhausted, but... we are comics... we'll have
Taken from: http://stigmatamag.narod.ru/stalingrad.htm